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Just a quick review the last game. Players of the game; on offense was Trace McSorley, on defense we went with the defensive line as a unit and special teams we shared it with Blake Gillikin and Tyler Davis. Tyler for his combination of six-for-six on extra points, but really his kickoffs. I thought that was a major factor in the game. Two touchbacks and a 62-yard average, he did a great job there. Then obviously Blake has just been fantastic. I would make the argument that the punt out of our end zone...and then to pin [his second punt] on the sideline and Irvin Charles I think is probably playing as elite of a level as you possibly could play as gunner. The combination of Blake's punts and Irv going down there, you see a guy who is 6-foot-4, 230 pounds running down the field like that, he's been tremendous.
In general I thought we played really physical, which with that type of team and the style of play that they [Michigan] want to play with, I thought we were very physical and we challenged the team before the game about that up front on both sides of the ball. We challenged our wide receivers, again their style of defense they're going to be in your face, they're going to be very physical at the line of scrimmage and we were going to have to make plays and create separation.
Very pleased with our overall discipline and organization, our substitution and our communication. We only had one penalty in the game, coming on special teams. And, I think we all realize the importance of starting fast. In the first quarter we’ve scored 90 points and we have given up zero. In the third quarter we have scored 72 points and given up three. I think that was magnified, if you think of this past game. I think Michigan had scored on its opening drive five out of six games and we were able to hold them to a three and out. Then in the third quarter we forced them into a punt on their first drive as well, so that continued. I thought that was really good overall.
Then I kind of already mentioned special teams. I think that Gillikin and Irvin Charles are really playing at a high level right now and I thought we improved our field goal protection, obviously it just showed up on extra points, but pleased with that, just watching it.
To get into Ohio State, we have so much respect for the university as a whole and the football program and their history and their tradition. Obviously Urban Meyer is one of the most respected coaches in college football and has been very successful there and everywhere else he's been. Their defensive coordinator, Greg Schiano, obviously very familiar with him and his reputation as a guy who's been a college and NFL head coach. Their offensive coordinator, Kevin Wilson, again you have a guy who was a successful college head coach in our conference. On special teams you got Kerry Coombs and we also realize Urban Meyer's always been very involved with special teams. So a tremendous challenge there, tremendous respect and a great history between these two schools, I think that's probably going to be one of the biggest differences in this game is being able to go on the road and play one of the best teams in the country on the road in a tough environment. It's one thing to win at home in a whiteout. It's one thing to win at home with College GameDay and 110,000 [people in the stands]. It's another thing to go on the road and do that. That's a challenge for our entire program. Coaches, players and everything else. So we're excited about it and looking forward to it.
Offensively they are an up tempo offense, they're a spread scheme, they do run zone, zone read, power, stretch plays and do a good job with those things. They take shots down the field. J.T. Barrett has been playing at Ohio State for I think this is his 16th year, maybe going on 17, one of the most successful quarterbacks in school history, if not the most. One of the most successful quarterbacks in Big Ten history and nationally. I mean you got to just completely respect everything that that guy's been able to do in his career and everything I know about him and have heard about him, he's a class act. So that's going to be a challenge for us because he can beat you with his legs, he can beat you with his arm, he can beat you with his mind. His touchdown-to-interception ratio right now is excellent. He is doing some great things.
Then obviously the combination of J.K. Dobbins and Mike Weber in the back field; they just got so much speed and at athleticism across the board. An elite defense, everybody all off season was talking about their defensive line, and obviously they have tremendous depth, size, athleticism and power up front. That's kind of been their calling card. Coach [Larry] Johnson obviously does an unbelievable job with them and has his whole career. They pressure a good amount, they're a 42-percent pressure on normal downs. And obviously Nick Bosa. I know you guys laugh when I said I was trying to get Saquon Barkley's family to have another child, send them on a romantic vacation, well, Urban obviously has done that with the Bosa family, because they're just seems to continue to be great players from that family playing for Ohio State. So he's going to be a challenge for us and Jerome Baker is a guy that we know very well, who is playing very well for them as well.
On special teams, you see all their athleticism and speed all over the field, their kickoff return unit and their punt return defense are number one in the conference and ranked in the Top-5 in the country. So, tremendous challenge, but we're also looking forward to it and we're going to have to a great week of preparation.
Q. You mentioned your experience coaching against J.T. Barrett. How has he evolved, what is he doing especially well this year?
JF: I think we all know Kevin Wilson is a really good offensive coach and been successful wherever he's been and I think early in the season they were still trying to kind of find their offensive identity and they found it now and they're putting up big time points and yards on everybody. You knew it was just a matter of time because Kevin's such a good coach and they have so many good players. I see J.T. playing with a lot of confidence right now and he's obviously surrounded by a lot of talent and he's doing a great job of distributing the ball to that talent. So, again, you have an experienced play making quarterback, playing in a scheme that really accents his abilities and his supporting cast. So it's going to be a real challenge, there's no doubt about it.
Q. Now that you've seen the Michigan tape, how did you think your offensive line did overall, especially Will Fries?
JF: They're getting better. I know everybody wanted, in the beginning of the season, for every position, every unit just to be kind of hitting on all cylinders, but that's just not how it works. Just got to love those guys and keep developing them and keep coaching them and they're getting better. Matt Limegrover does an unbelievable job for us and I think the combination of Will Fries and Chasz Wright, and those two guys’ development and ability to create depth for us is really good. I think they played really good against a really good defensive line last week, but they're going to have to continue to grow because like I mentioned in the very beginning, I think everybody realizes the type of respect and the type of players that Ohio State has up front, so it's going to be another challenge. That's the beauty of this conference, week-in and week-out you're going to go against high level players and you need to continue to develop and you need to continue to grow and you need to continue to learn. Those guys are doing that.
Q. You and Marcus Allen arrived at Penn State right around the same time. What has your relationship with him been like over these four years and what ways have you seen him grow and change?
JF: Really good. I have a really good relationship with Marcus and Marcus's mom and Marcus's dad. I've talked to you guys about him before, he's a unique player. We're kind of in a time where everybody wants to be tough and everybody wants to be hard all the time. That guy, any video you watch or any picture you see or any time you're around him he has got a smile from ear to ear. He's happy, he's appreciative, he's hard working, but then he's able to switch and go on the field and be tough and be physical. He's able to do both, which I think is a really, really important talent. And he has it. He's been a great player for us, he's been a great leader. His energy is infectious in our locker room. We had a long talk, me, him and dad after the season about his future and what he wanted to do and what was the right time to do it and he decided to come back to Penn State and really didn't have to. He had, from pretty much everybody I talked to, a strong enough grade that you could make the argument [he could have went into the draft] and he felt like there was still some areas and things that he wanted to work on and help our team accomplish and also help himself. I don't think that happens without that relationship. His dad was able to be very honest and direct with me and I was able to be very honest and direct with his dad and with Marcus. He's a tremendously talented guy and one of the leaders in our locker room and I think he's got a very bright future, not just in football, but in his life. He's one of those people that others are attracted to because of his energy and how positive he is and how intelligent he is. So he's got a very bright future in whatever he decides to do.
Q. You spoke before about the 2014 Ohio State game's impact on your team. Wanted to just maybe refresh that. What role did that game play in your team's development to where you are now headed to Columbus this week?
JF: Well I think it played a big role in our game last year. I thought there was a lot of confidence from our team because we had played them tough in the past and really you could make the argument should have won that game [in 2014]. So I think our team has steadily just grown over the last four years in a lot of different ways and a lot of different experiences to get to this point. But again, there are no moral victories, but I do think there are lessons. There's lessons that are learned in every win and lessons that are learned in every loss, as long as you're willing to look at them and be honest with yourself. We have a really mature football team and we have done that.
So I think all those experiences matter. We talk about it all the time, about each Friday night before the game we talk about how hard we have worked to get here and I think a lot of times people focus on how hard we prepared that week or how hard we prepared last year, but I make the argument these guys have been training for 18, 19 or 20 years for this opportunity. I think when you look at it that way, maybe you don't overlook things or maybe you don't take things for granted as much. I think the older you get you're much more appreciative of things. What I try to impart into our team and into our players is, guys, you've worked your entire life for these types of opportunities and you're blessed in so many different ways, so let's take advantage of it. I think our guys understand that. So it's all those experiences; the Minnesota game, the Kent State game, it's Akron, it's Pittsburgh, it's an Ohio State Whiteout from a few years ago, it's the [Ohio State game] from last year, it's the one that we went on the road to Ohio State, all these things -- it's the Michigan game on the road last year -- all these experiences positive or negative have gotten us to this point. So we just try to be very open and honest about those things and not rationalize and not make excuses, own all those things and learn and grow from them.
Q. Mike Gesicki, what's the biggest improvement in his overall game from last year to now and how would you grade his end zone celebration leap over Trace?
JF: You know, I didn't see it. I saw the pictures and it doesn't shock me. I mean I think we all know that Mike can jump out of the stadium. He was a high level volleyball player, high level basketball player. Every time we have a dunk contest on the football team he wins it. That's one of his special qualities: how well he can jump and go after the ball in the air or jump over things like human beings, like Trace. So, yeah, I'm pleased with Mike.
He has improved in a lot of areas, especially in his blocking. I thought that my discussions [with him] are very similar to what I mentioned with Marcus. My sit down discussion with Mike were about areas that he needed to improve...we need Mike to continue to be a difference maker for us in the passing game, but for Mike's individual future, which we do talk about in the off-season, there's not a whole lot more he needs to prove as a receiver, it's as a blocker. That's the area that he needs to grow and has grown dramatically. But to show people that he can be an every down tight end and be a major factor in the run game as well as the pass game. He's taken that very seriously and he's worked really hard on it. I think if you look at us right now and our running game, our perimeter blocking with the tight ends as well as with the receivers, I think it's probably maybe one of our most improved areas on our team. Our wide receiver and tight end perimeter blocking, as well as our tight ends mixing it up inside, is vastly improved and we need to continue investing in those areas.
Q. To follow-up on last year's Ohio State game and how much did that just boost your confidence to know that all this hard work and preparation had led to a win over an elite team and how that carried you forward for the rest of last season and into this season.
JF: Yeah, I don't think there's any doubt when you find a way as an organization to beat the No. 2 team in the country, I don't care where you're at in your program's development, that win has a big impact from a lot of different perspectives. So, yeah, I don't think there's any doubt about that. As you know, we take it one game at a time and things like that, but I think that there's definitely awareness from all of us, including me, that wins like that build confidence and a confident football team has a chance to develop into a pretty good football team.
Q. The program's getting an unbelievable amount of media attention lately and I think probably most of us saw you on Monday Night Football last night and I'm wondering if you personally are now having to manage your time and learn to say no, maybe more so that you haven't had to before?
JF: Yeah, this is something, and I want to thank Kris [Petersen] because Kris does a great job with that. She's the bad person and has to tell people no. But obviously it's magnified right now, but we kind of stick to the same model, so we try to grant a certain amount of local requests because the local beat writers and media people that cover us day-in and day-out, we feel like those people deserve the most access. Then we also try to do some things nationally, because we also understand the importance of getting our brand and our university and our football program out nationally, so we try to do those things as well. Where Kris has done a good job for me and for the players is trying to limit the impact that it has on our normal day. So I know most people don't like it, but we have a staff meeting every morning at 7 a.m. so I'm not going to do anything after 7 a.m. So most of my interviews are done before 7 a.m. before the staff meeting. So 6 o'clock, 6:20, 6:40 or whatever it may be, and then we'll also do some stuff typically late at night. So basically Kris does her best in trying to protect my day from 7 a.m. to 10 p.m.
I know we have somebody in the room that's looking at me right now that I'm going to meet with I think tomorrow and it's at the crack of dawn. But that's why, because as a head coach, if you're not careful, and it's already an issue, you're just constantly getting pulled out of the meeting room. You're trying to sit in with the defense and you get pulled out five times. You're trying to sit with the offense and you get pulled out 10 times. And some of them you can't control. Player issues, you know, you have to deal with that. So Kris does a great job and then obviously trying to manage Saquon to make sure that he's able to handle his academics and handle his football and then be able to interact a little bit, but Kris does a great job and in balancing that and helping us kind of manage it and for the most part we're on the same page with how we want to do it.
Q. In a game like this against a highly ranked team how much is field position on the road magnified with kick coverage and things like that, especially when the weather forecast might be calling for rain?
JF: Yeah, I think it's one of the most important aspects of the game is field position. It's funny, you talk about all these different games, I remember Michigan last year we start the game backed up and are punting the ball out of our own end zone with a tight punt to Peppers, it's the last way you would want to start the game. We started it that way and then we played almost the entire first half on our side of the field. That's not how you would like it to go. It's funny because I've been really looking at Northwestern, whenever you go to Northwestern it always seems to be really windy and I've really noticed Pat -- it's funny, last game, I saw him talk to the reporter after the game and she asked why he handled the end of the game the way he handled it and he goes, “Well, look at your hair,” and her hair was blowing all over her head. And to me that's kind of understanding the Big-Ten a little bit more where at Northwestern that's usually a factor. So I think you have your general rules, but then you also have your stadiums and venues that magnify it. But it's something that we tried to emphasize as much as we possibly could and we have really good team speed right now and we have a punter that does a great job in the three things that we ask him to do: hang time, distance and location.
Right now he's doing a really good job in all three of those areas, which isn't easy to do. And then we got guys that are taking a lot of pride in their role in terms of covering kicks and it's the same thing on kick off. Tyler has been excellent in kickoff. I know there's been talk about we have missed a few field goals or had a few field goals blocked but he's been excellent in kickoff and I think before the end of the season he'll be viewed the same way on field goals. So we believe in it, field position is something we talk about all the time with our players, the importance of winning the field position battle each week, and so far so good.
Q. Ohio State is coming off of a bye. Is it reasonable to expect them to add new wrinkles and what were the advantages maybe you had coming off of a bye against Michigan and how much can that help when you're going into a big game?
JF: I think it helps a lot. There's no doubt about it. You just have more time for everything. More time to recover, more time to get healthy, more time to watch film and plan. It's valuable. I think it's probably the most valuable thing we have on this earth is time and a bye week creates that. So yeah, it helped us last week and it's going to help them this week. There's no doubt about it. But again we control the things that we can control and this isn't one of them, so we have our normal week of preparation, which I feel good about it, I do think we handled our bye week good enough that we are still getting some residual affects two weeks later from how we handled the bye week two weeks ago. I also think the way the game played out last week, that we were able to get some backups in the game and things like that, that helped that it wasn't Iowa where it was this emotional draining and physically draining game all the way up until the last second. So I think that there's value in that as well. So we're going to maximize this week and get to the hotel and get a little bit more rest and then get ready to play the game.
Q. Marcus Allen, Jason Cabinda and Grant Haley, obviously those three guys came in together and are three of your leaders on defense, what do you notice about the differences in their leadership styles?
JF: Very much so. Marcus is bubbly, outgoing, full of energy, huge smile on his face, dancing, laughing, and clowning other guys or me. He's just a ball of positive energy that I love. And that’s different [than most guys], because he was the same way as a freshman. He's a senior now, he's more mature and there's a time and a place and he does a great job with all of those things. He is universally respected on our team and really all three of those guys are.
Grant is completely different. Grant has probably said 32 words. He's more reserved, he's Mr. Dependable, and you know what you're getting with Grant every day. You know what you're getting with Grant every play. He’s very mature, steady, well respected, very thoughtful, and very intelligent, really all three of those guys are. That's the thing that's so cool is they're all so intelligent and articulate and those types of things, just they're packaged differently. Marcus is crazy and Grant is more reserved. I could see Marcus being in some type of movie or comedy show. I could see Grant pursuing politics one day. Then you have Jason that is probably one of the more natural charismatic leaders I've been around.
Jason has very strong opinions on things, which is also why I think he's such a good leader is because when Jason opens his mouth and says something he says it with conviction, he believes it in his heart. He's also the guy whenever I have council meetings or captains meetings, he's the guy that's going to speak up and is willing to challenge or ask me tough questions about things and I love that. I love that about those guys, I love that about Jason. Jason over his time here kind of understands there's a time and place for everything as well, but he's not afraid to speak his mind. I said in front of the team the other day, I talk all the time about using our program for more than just for football and for school, but for networking and for contacts and all these wonderful opportunities that they get. It’s funny, I met with the GameDay people last week and they could not have raved more about Jason Cabinda and how they think he has a bright future in being a sports commentator and that not only is he going to do it, that they want him working at ESPN. To me, all our guys should be taking advantage of all these opportunities. Meeting lettermen, dealing with the media. Those are job interviews, every time you get up and talk in front of the camera it's a job interview and those three guys have just handled things so well on the field, they have handled things so well off the field, they have been extensions of the coaching staffs. They have been what we talk about all the time -- I would probably say the best way to describe them is their culture drivers. That's really what they are. Those guys have taken the culture that we wanted to have at Penn State and they have driven it home in every area: recruiting, player development, how to conduct themselves in the classroom, in the community, with the media. They are culture drivers and we will be forever indebted to them because those guys are going to leave here and they're going to leave a legacy.
I remember when we got here I think the best person to describe is Mike Hull. There's still guys talking about Mike Hull. I actually think that Marcus, Grant and Jason could be those type of guys that the freshmen now are going to be telling the freshmen four years from now about. This is how Jason Cabinda did it. This is how Grant Haley did it. This is how Marcus did it. And you can't put a value on those types of guys in your locker room.
Q. You talked Iowa before, how much can you draw on the experience of already going into a hostile environment and winning a close game going into this game?
JF: Yeah, I think from our time at Kinnick, which was one of the better venues I've been to, they are right on top of you, they are wild, and we know Ohio State's going to be the same way. I do think that there's value in that we have been on the road in a tough environment. Not only in these guys' careers but this season. I think we all know it's tough to do. It's tough to come and play at Penn State. It's tough to go on the road and play at Ohio State. But that's the situation we're in and I want our guys to embrace it. I'm going to try to make practice as difficult as I possibly can. Typically we do light music on Tuesday, because there's still a lot of teaching going on from a game plan perspective and then Wednesday it is full throttle, piercing eardrums, headaches for the coaches at the end of practice, it's not a whole lot of fun. To be honest with you, I've actually been talking to Jevin [Stone], I don't know a whole lot about this kind of stuff, but turning the treble down, because it just pierces your ear out there. This week, we're going to do it starting today – Tuesday – we're going to do it all week long to make it as difficult as we possibly can make it. As you guys know, I think I told you earlier in the year we went out and bought one of those decibel meters for practices and for games so we can literally replicate the type of music that's played in the stadium, crowd noise, chants, songs, how loud it is, the whole deal. Probably more so for the offense than the defense, but the other thing is on special teams, for the punt team to be able to hear the calls and those types of things for the field goal team. That's something that probably in years past we hadn't done a good enough job, but we have implemented that into special teams as well now.
Q. How is your team's confidence developed over the past 12 or 13 months and how does that manifest itself on the field?
JF: I think it's good. I think it's good. We have routines around here and I think the routine is important. Standard operating procedure, I think there's confidence that comes from that because they know what to expect. You can say whatever you want to say about me and my staff, but we're the same guys every day. I think that is so important. Coaches are constantly complaining about leadership, not enough leadership, well it starts with us. So I think there's confidence that comes from that. I think there's confidence from winning tough games like Iowa. I think there's confidence from winning tough games and beating tough opponents like Michigan. There's confidence from going on the road, there's confidence from playing in the Rose Bowl, there's confidence from all these different things. You can learn from them, but again, we're going to be playing one of the most talented, gifted, athletic teams in the country on the road and a team that knows how to win and has done it for a number of years now.
It's going to be a real challenge. I don't think there's any doubt about it. But I do believe in our formula. I think people within our circle understand our formula. It's like after the game, I get asked about Ohio State and I'm not talking about Ohio State yet. It's funny because whenever you do anything like this, other fan bases and nationally they're looking for a reason to go crazy. I could not have more respect for Ohio State, their program, and Urban Meyer, but I mean literally the game just ended, can I talk about Michigan, can we enjoy Michigan for a half hour before we move on to the next opponent.
I bring that up because I think there's confidence from our locker room and from our program that they know what to expect and they know how we operate. I think whenever you can compartment at that list things like that, no different than us talking about playing great football for six seconds. That's the average college football play, let's do that. And I think these approaches I think have been helpful for us and our program and for me for the last seven years that I've been doing this as a head coach.
Q. You already talked about Ohio State's defensive line, how many great players they have. What are the challenges specifically in obvious passing situations when they put four defensive ends on the field just because there is so much athleticism on the line at that point?
JF: I think it's exactly what you said, it's the athleticism. With defensive ends its typically different body types, different movement, different style, and we do the same thing, we call it our wild package where we put four defensive ends on the field with Parker Cothren, who is one of the better nose guards in the country, but his ability to rush the passer is going to be different, it's going to be more power based compared to quickness and lateral movement and those types of things than if you're going against a traditional inside guy. So fortunately for us we go against pretty good ones in practice all the time, which helps us, but that's going to be a challenge in the game. I would also make the argument us staying on schedule and not getting into situations where it's third and long and obvious passing situations helps because people aren't typically comfortable going with four defensive ends in the game when the offense could run the ball in that situation. That's obviously why you don't play with four defensive ends. So I think that's an important part of it as well is not put yourself in those positions as much as you possibly can.
Q. In what areas has Grant Haley improved the most from this time last year until now?
JF: I don't know about from last year but I would say overall is the thing that most DB's have to get comfortable with is playing the ball in the air. I think you see young DB's that will struggle with that. How do they stay connected and when do they try to find a ball and how do they do that. Then they get to the point where they start to get more confident. Some guys when the ball's in the air, they panic early on, because the receiver knows where the ball is or where the ball's going and they have no idea. That is one of the more difficult skills to learn. There's a lot of different ways you can do it, you can turn and find the ball and knowing how to look and where to look to find it. It's as simple as a long ball guy turns and looks over their shoulder, well you got to look up because how many times do you see a guy look back and then the ball drops over his head. So understanding where to look, understanding how to stay connected to the receiver, understanding that you should never look for the ball unless you've closed that space and you're in proximity of the wide receiver.
I think that's probably the biggest thing with him is he's very comfortable now when the ball's in the air, which allows him to get more pass breakups, allows him to get more interceptions and make plays on the ball and he is really playing at an elite level right now. I think that the Jim Thorpe Award came out the other day, I actually think that Christian [Campbell], Grant and Marcus could have all been on that list pretty easily and that's not a slight, but I think all of them are playing at a high level, but I think that us and Alabama I think we're the only two schools in the country that had multiple players on the list and so that's a credit to Terry Smith, Tim Banks, and Brent Pry and to those guys, but I think it's his confidence with the ball in the air and I think that's somewhat typical for a DB's maturing into that position.
Q. Is this the toughest division in college football?
JF: I don't ever like to say things that are definitive like this, because I haven't gone out and studied it. Coach Galt sometimes will say that, he'll say, "We got the strongest offensive line in the country." Or he'll make statements like that and I'm like, whoa, where are you getting this data from? He just says, "Well I believe it." Which is great and I want us to feel that way and to believe that. I have worked in a lot of different conferences and I think we're part of the discussion. I think that you can't have a discussion without us being a part of that discussion, obviously our side with Penn State and Michigan State and Michigan and Ohio State all on the same side of the conference. It's up there, but obviously someone that has SEC ties is going to feel different about that or someone who has ACC ties is going to feel a different way, or the PAC-12 or Big-12, there's going to be an arguments made. I think for the people that study the game nationally, without being biased, we're going to be a part of every single one of those debates and conversations and I think that's all really you care about. I would be making that argument.
Q. Obviously J.K. Dobbins is having a really good freshman season for Ohio State, how does that compare to Saquon Barkley's a couple years ago? They were both guys that really weren't expected to make huge contributions and now they have.
JF: I'm not sure. I guess I don't necessarily look at it that way. I expected Saquon Barkley to have a big impact as freshman. We recruited J.K. Dobbins and I think Coach Huff said about two months ago that he'll be the starting running back before the season is over. That's no disrespect to Mike Weber, we think he's fantastic too. I think that he's a special player. There's no doubt about it. He's playing behind a really good offensive line and a good scheme and just like us they got a lot of weapons that you have to deal with, which is ideal for running backs. I tell running backs, guys that we're recruiting all the time, not only do you need to help us recruit offensive linemen but you need to recruit the wide receivers. He's fortunate to be in that position with an athletic quarterback and an experienced quarterback and an experienced offensive line and a lot of speed at the skill position. So he's a talented guy. There's no doubt about it.
Q. Do you have much of a relationship with Urban Meyer and I'm wondering when you have a program on the rise with the high stakes, how much camaraderie is there among the coaches or does it allow for that?
JF: Yeah, I think during the season it's hard. I think that I might have mentioned this last year we go on the Nike trip together, I've gotten to know him probably more so from that experience than anything. Then you have the head coaches meetings and I actually called him three weeks ago about a rule that we were having a discussion about and I wanted to get his opinion on it. But, yeah, during the season you just are so busy doing your jobs and then in the off season you're so busy recruiting that you don't have as much interaction as you’d think.
You see each other at the convention, you see one another on a Nike trip or things like that, you see him in a high school but they're usually walking out while you're walking in and they're going to see the next prospect or get on a plane and fly somewhere else. So not as much interaction as you would think. I think probably where you get the most of it is with your staffs. Typically I'll have someone that I'm really close with on their staff or they have someone they're really close with on our staff and you kind of get to know people that way. We got guys on our staff that I've built relationships with because of someone they're really close with. So no different than your industry, I would think, is you meet people, you spend a little bit more time together than we would, but that's kind of how the interactions go and you really probably get to know people and like people and respect people based on what you're told by your buddies that end up going there and working there.
The same thing about you. They will say, well, that guy over there's a really good guy, I worked with him, known him for a long time, and you kind of get to know each other that way in a lot of ways. It's amazing how many times we're sitting there watching film from early in the morning until late at night, Mondays are long days for us, and Joe will have a story about guys that he worked for or worked with 20 years ago or Matt's got a story and kind of something may come up on the film or something may come up from a game planning perspective that triggers a memory, Josh Gattis has a story or Ricky Rahne has a story or I have a story or the other side of the ball. That's kind of how you get to know people and then it kind of goes from there.